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Post by Zonker on Jun 15, 2016 17:57:10 GMT
I was so excited that this beautiful jam made it to the album.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 18:34:43 GMT
This song is unreal. As i said in the discussion thread, its just so soft and angelic at the start and the atmosphere is just sitting there and building then bam it evolves into beast mode. One of the best tracks off this album so far. This would be an insane closer or even opener for shows
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Post by Zonker on Jun 15, 2016 18:47:22 GMT
I wonder what they'll do with the vocals? Just drop them? Have Josh sing them? Oh my god if Josh sings them I'll die.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 18:54:26 GMT
Hahahaha! Yeah thats an odd one because it sounds like a choir on the back half of the song. I would think he would have a go at doing them and do a very good job of it. It would be pretty insane to hear this live esp with his backing vocals
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Post by Quixotic_Dude on Jun 17, 2016 10:22:52 GMT
It might be the hype talking, but I genuinely think this is the best song the band has done with Josh ever. It's so amazing, everything about it is just great. Would love it live, as an ending song either just before the encore or to end it all of
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2016 13:55:14 GMT
Nope, for me you are right, It is right up there as one of the best in the JK era for sure
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Post by Quixotic_Dude on Jun 17, 2016 16:18:48 GMT
I could write fucking pages about the brilliance of this song
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Post by virvo on Jun 19, 2016 17:46:08 GMT
More and more, apart from just the song (which I realize I didn't talk about yet, it's one of my favorites), it's becoming even stronger because of the track order where the album kind of ends after Ticon and then this three-piece composition starting with Encore comes along and everything gets a bit more atmospherical and nightlike. To have Samurai conclude that, and being the general album closer with so much determination, it's a perfect ending. But it also feels like a big song that hits a lot of places, so it makes me wonder where else they can go for the future, and ending the album with a taste of this, makes me very excited for any future.
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Post by dveri on Jun 19, 2016 21:09:27 GMT
I can't even begin to explain how much this song blows my mind right from the start, so I'll ask a question instead. Does the piano remind anybody of anything? There's some recognition but I can't really place it.
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Post by DimitrisRedHot on Jun 19, 2016 21:14:00 GMT
I can't even begin to explain how much this song blows my mind right from the start, so I'll ask a question instead. Does the piano remind anybody of anything? There's some recognition but I can't really place it. I'm listening it right now. At the first time I heard it I think the same, especially at the start the piano reminds me something but I can't find what... I love the bass line too. |
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Post by dveri on Jun 19, 2016 21:31:12 GMT
I can't even begin to explain how much this song blows my mind right from the start, so I'll ask a question instead. Does the piano remind anybody of anything? There's some recognition but I can't really place it. I'm listening it right now. At the first time I heard it I think the same, especially at the start the piano reminds me something but I can't find what... I love the bass line too. I'm thinking maybe it's some universal feeling you get sometimes when listening to music? So it's not some similarity in sound or melody but what it touches in you. Yeah love the bass line, it's so powerful. |
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Post by DimitrisRedHot on Jun 19, 2016 21:42:51 GMT
Yeah it is very possible. Anyway, I like that they turn their jams from past years to songs (like this and Encore).
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Post by DimitrisRedHot on Jun 20, 2016 16:37:38 GMT
Means something the "Y'got a little lord fish and I don't know why"?
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Post by virvo on Jun 20, 2016 16:53:16 GMT
Apparently a red Irish lord is a type of fish, but the only sensible thing I can connect it to is the fish as a symbol of Christianity. The story goes that early Christians drew those fish symbols in the sand the identify each other without running to risk of being persecuted (the Roman empire didn't accept Christianity). And in recent times you just sometimes see that symbol on the back of cars and the like, I'm not sure if certain branches of the Church use it as an 'official' symbol or anything. I think the evangelists might, and they're pretty hardcore, believing the Bible in a literal sense.
Connected to the rest of the song it could make sense. So I'm pretty sure Anthony is wondering about why someone he knows got into that, that way of life, or maybe that person doesn't seem genuine and he questions then why follow faith, or it seems useless to follow a certain belief system,... just thinking out loud.
Basically, to me, it comes down to another reflection of faith, death, the usefulness or uselessness of life, worldview, your own place in a huge universe,.. the whole song seem to relate to death and the getting on of time in relation to growing old. Kind of taking stock of the past looking at where he is as a result of that, now that he's closer to death than birth basically. Although it's not entirely about himself at all, it works on both an individual and more general level.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2016 17:15:17 GMT
For me, I don't think it relates to death. I think it relates to change and how he's trying to find that soul mate and a person to rely and depend on whom he will love. He can't though (first verse he's saying he's a contradiction because of his age difference I'm guessing). He's considering himself a "lonely lad" and maybe the loneliness is now slowly driving him "insane". He doesn't want to die alone - "slowly turning into driftwood (the process of ageing), no one ever wants to die alone". He wants to have a partner he will love and cherish. With the lord fish part, I'm not sure, she could have been religious??
The change part of the song could relate to the verses of "taking acid in a graveyard etc." He's reflecting on times back in the day and "the dirty sneakers on the pavement" verse is saying we all have a life that is travelled in different ways and only we can see the brilliance of our own lives, "no one else can". Only you can walk in your own shoes and tell the tale. Then he's summing up in the last verse saying we all watch the world go by and we are always needing ways to implement change in how we live our lives so we can make the most of it.
I've interpreted it as its about the morals of change and companionship. The again the whole song could be made up about a Samurai that took acid in the graveyard and likes to stand naked with sword in hand whilst in his girlfriends kitchen, swinging his willy around like a helicopter as he awaits his peppermint tea to be ready
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Post by virvo on Jun 20, 2016 17:32:35 GMT
I agree with almost everything you said, I just relate those things to the getting on of time and life and death, and what you have done with relationships of the past, and the ones you have now. What makes life useful or useless, and that that still obviously isn't something he can't figure out and he didn't get this far without a lot of scratches either. Life, love, way of living, companionship, images of the past that dictate your present, it's all pretty much the same to me in a way, it's all very related I think.
In Ticonderoga he sings 'we are all just soldiers in this epic loving flight / and no one that I know has ever really done it right'. I think it's a lot about acceptance of being in a tough spot, and life being tough in general, and accepting you'll never figure it out, you always fight on and change (metamorphosis), and just keep going. So it's kinda dark but very accepting of the darkness as a part of it. Seems to fit the general theme of the album to me.
I just gotta add, Anthony is absolutely scaling new heights here in my opinion. Could be totally wrong about this song, but his lyrics make me think and feel a lot in any case.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2016 17:38:29 GMT
Yeah I think you are spot on with that, the theme of life in general seems a big part of this album. He even said himself it was going to be, along with having a lot of things to write about his ex-gf and their broken down relationship - which seems apparent on most of the songs. I think lyrically he's stepped it up to what he can be again. Its all down to how Danger Mouse pushed him to be better. I love that he did that, who knows what could have been on there if Rubin was still producing
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Post by dveri on Jun 20, 2016 17:46:19 GMT
Some nice ideas here, that was interesting to read. Without trying to crack specific lines, to me the overall feeling of the song reminds of the state of being you get into when there are significant changes and you try to decide what to do next, to wait it out, to go with the flow or try another direction. Looking back at your life and where you have arrived, wondering if there are other ways to play it. And waiting.
This is probably wrong but "dirty sneakers on the pavement" make me think of his son and the adventures they get into together.
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